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RogerNicholson: moved User:InProgress/Website reviews/StayLDS to User:InProgress/Website reviews/Kitchen1

2009-08-23T16:57:37Z

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RogerNicholson: moved Website reviews/StayLDS to User:InProgress/Website reviews/StayLDS over redirect

2009-08-08T00:55:17Z

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RogerNicholson: moved User:InProgress/Website reviews/StayLDS to Website reviews/StayLDS: move to main wiki

2009-08-07T14:02:46Z

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PaulMcNabb: /* The Brethren have "little, if any time for deep study of controversial LDS Church history?" */

2009-07-28T18:36:54Z

The Brethren have "little, if any time for deep study of controversial LDS Church history?"

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	Why did a Church magazine teach our children that there was a group of Mormons called the "Danites" who attacked non-members?		Why did a Church magazine teach our children that there was a group of Mormons called the "Danites" who attacked non-members?
	{{Epigraph\|One Mormon, Sampson Avard, formed a group, called the Danites, to seek revenge on the Missourians. ~~<br>~~But when the Danites attacked the nonmembers, it only gave them more reason to distrust the Saints.<br>—Sherrie Johnson, “Persecutions in Missouri,” ''Friend'', Jul 1993, 47 {{Link\|url=http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&locale=0&sourceId=042555faa5cab010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=21bc9fbee98db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD}}}}		{{Epigraph\|One Mormon, Sampson Avard, formed a group, called the Danites, to seek revenge on the Missourians. But when the Danites attacked the nonmembers, it only gave them more reason to distrust the Saints.<br>—Sherrie Johnson, “Persecutions in Missouri,” ''Friend'', Jul 1993, 47 {{Link\|url=http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&locale=0&sourceId=042555faa5cab010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=21bc9fbee98db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD}}}}

	Why did a Church magazine talk about the use of the "[[Blood atonement\|blood atonement]]" and polygamy in early anti-Mormon fiction?		Why did a Church magazine talk about the use of the "[[Blood atonement\|blood atonement]]" and polygamy in early anti-Mormon fiction?

PaulMcNabb: /* Website review: StayLDS.com */

2009-07-28T18:34:40Z

Website review: StayLDS.com

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	{{Epigraph\|I have now served in the general councils of this Church for 45 years. I have served as an Assistant to the Twelve, as a member of the Twelve, as a Counselor in the First Presidency, and now for eight years as President. I want to give you my testimony that although I have sat in literally thousands of meetings where Church policies and programs have been discussed, I have never been in one where the guidance of the Lord was not sought nor where there was any desire on the part of anyone present to advocate or do anything which would be injurious or coercive to anyone. The book of Revelation declares: “I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. “So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth” ({{s\|\|Revelations\|3\|15–16}})....This is His work. He established it. He has revealed its doctrine. He has outlined its practices. He created its government. It is His work and His kingdom, and He has said, “They who are not for me are against me” ({{s\|2\|Nephi\|10\|16}}).<br>—Gordon B. Hinckley, “Loyalty,” Ensign, May 2003, 58}}		{{Epigraph\|I have now served in the general councils of this Church for 45 years. I have served as an Assistant to the Twelve, as a member of the Twelve, as a Counselor in the First Presidency, and now for eight years as President. I want to give you my testimony that although I have sat in literally thousands of meetings where Church policies and programs have been discussed, I have never been in one where the guidance of the Lord was not sought nor where there was any desire on the part of anyone present to advocate or do anything which would be injurious or coercive to anyone. The book of Revelation declares: “I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. “So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth” ({{s\|\|Revelations\|3\|15–16}})....This is His work. He established it. He has revealed its doctrine. He has outlined its practices. He created its government. It is His work and His kingdom, and He has said, “They who are not for me are against me” ({{s\|2\|Nephi\|10\|16}}).<br>—Gordon B. Hinckley, “Loyalty,” Ensign, May 2003, 58}}

	{{Epigraph\|Even though the brethren themselves often set things up as "all or nothing," "true or false," "legitimate or a complete fraud,"~~<br>~~you do not have to slavishly bow to these blatantly false dichotomies. <br>—The author of Staylds.com'' (<nowiki>http://staylds.com/docs/HowToStay.html</nowiki>)}}		{{Epigraph\|Even though the brethren themselves often set things up as "all or nothing," "true or false," "legitimate or a complete fraud," you do not have to slavishly bow to these blatantly false dichotomies. <br>—The author of Staylds.com'' (<nowiki>http://staylds.com/docs/HowToStay.html</nowiki>)}}

	{{Epigraph\|Don't think of it as God's one and only true and perfect church while all others as abominations. If you think that way, the church will always fall short. Instead, think of it as a bunch of men (and a few women -- in terms of leadership) who are just trying their best to fulfill their callings while balancing work, family, and personal stuff -- and stumbling a great deal along the way. Don't think of its leaders as having a direct, telephone-like communication line with God. They probably don't.<br>—The author of Staylds.com'', setting up some false dichotomies of his own. (<nowiki>http://staylds.com/docs/HowToStay.html</nowiki>)}}		{{Epigraph\|Don't think of it as God's one and only true and perfect church while all others as abominations. If you think that way, the church will always fall short. Instead, think of it as a bunch of men (and a few women -- in terms of leadership) who are just trying their best to fulfill their callings while balancing work, family, and personal stuff -- and stumbling a great deal along the way. Don't think of its leaders as having a direct, telephone-like communication line with God. They probably don't.<br>—The author of Staylds.com'', setting up some false dichotomies of his own. (<nowiki>http://staylds.com/docs/HowToStay.html</nowiki>)}}

RogerNicholson: /* Conclusion */ mod

2009-07-22T14:42:21Z

Conclusion: mod

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	*We reject the idea that Church leaders only claim that this is the "one true Church" as a means to encourage growth.		*We reject the idea that Church leaders only claim that this is the "one true Church" as a means to encourage growth.
	*We reject the idea that law of tithing is something that can be arbitrarily redefined as a matter of convenience and comfort.		*We reject the idea that law of tithing is something that can be arbitrarily redefined as a matter of convenience and comfort.
			*We reject the blatantly false statement that the Brethren encourage members to "supplement" their spiritual needs by looking at other religions.
	There is one thing that we ''do'' agree with:		There is one thing that we ''do'' agree with:
	{{Epigraph\|The "Middle Way of Mormonism" is not for everyone, and is definitely not likely to be sanctioned by church leaders anytime soon.<br>—StayLDS.com}}		{{Epigraph\|The "Middle Way of Mormonism" is not for everyone, and is definitely not likely to be sanctioned by church leaders anytime soon.<br>—StayLDS.com}}
	Indeed, we might go so far as to say that the "Middle Way of Mormonism"" will ''never'' be sanctioned by Church leaders. Christ did not teach the "middle way" to salvation or exaltation. This does ''not'' mean that we reject those who are challenged in their faith. These matters must be resolved through study and prayer. Unfortunately, the "StayLDS" web site encourages those who harbor doubts or encounter difficult issues to remain silent. This solves nothing. It does not help resolve these issues, and they will only become worse. It is implied that asking "difficult questions" will result in one being ostracized from the Church. However, we believe that questions ought to be asked and answered, and that they can be answered while strengthening the foundation of faith.		Indeed, we might go so far as to say that the "Middle Way of Mormonism"" will ''never'' be sanctioned by Church leaders. Christ did not teach the "middle way" to salvation or exaltation. This does ''not'' mean that we reject those who are challenged in their faith. These matters must be resolved through study and prayer. Unfortunately, the "StayLDS" web site encourages those who harbor doubts or encounter difficult issues to remain silent. This solves nothing. It does not help resolve these issues, and they will only become worse. It is implied that asking "difficult questions" will result in one being ostracized from the Church. However, we believe that questions ought to be asked and answered, and that they can be answered while strengthening the foundation of faith.

RogerNicholson: /* Website review: StayLDS.com */ mod

2009-07-22T14:17:48Z

Website review: StayLDS.com: mod

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	{{Epigraph\|Even though the brethren themselves often set things up as "all or nothing," "true or false," "legitimate or a complete fraud,"<br>you do not have to slavishly bow to these blatantly false dichotomies. <br>—The author of Staylds.com'' (<nowiki>http://staylds.com/docs/HowToStay.html</nowiki>)}}		{{Epigraph\|Even though the brethren themselves often set things up as "all or nothing," "true or false," "legitimate or a complete fraud,"<br>you do not have to slavishly bow to these blatantly false dichotomies. <br>—The author of Staylds.com'' (<nowiki>http://staylds.com/docs/HowToStay.html</nowiki>)}}

	{{Epigraph\|Don't think of it as God's one and only true and perfect church while all others as abominations. If you think that way, the church will always fall short. Instead, think of it as a bunch of men (and a few women -- in terms of leadership) who are just trying their best to fulfill their callings while balancing work, family, and personal stuff -- and stumbling a great deal along the way. Don't think of its leaders as having a direct, telephone-like communication line with God. They probably don't.<br>—The author of Staylds.com'' (<nowiki>http://staylds.com/docs/HowToStay.html</nowiki>)}}		{{Epigraph\|Don't think of it as God's one and only true and perfect church while all others as abominations. If you think that way, the church will always fall short. Instead, think of it as a bunch of men (and a few women -- in terms of leadership) who are just trying their best to fulfill their callings while balancing work, family, and personal stuff -- and stumbling a great deal along the way. Don't think of its leaders as having a direct, telephone-like communication line with God. They probably don't.<br>—The author of Staylds.com'', setting up some false dichotomies of his own. (<nowiki>http://staylds.com/docs/HowToStay.html</nowiki>)}}
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RogerNicholson: /* Looking elsewhere? */ format

2009-07-22T14:15:31Z

Looking elsewhere?: format

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	===Looking elsewhere?===		===Looking elsewhere?===
	{{Epigraph\|If you are not feeling spiritually filled by your affiliation with the LDS Church, do not hesitate to supplement with other sources. <br>I know many, many active LDS Church members who look to other faith traditions to supplement their spiritual needs. <br>Some look to other Christian denominations or Buddhism to fill a void. <br>Best of all, this approach is even encouraged by LDS scripture, LDS doctrine, and both historical and contemporary comments by LDS General Authorities (references available upon request).<br>StayLDS.com}}		{{Epigraph\|If you are not feeling spiritually filled by your affiliation with the LDS Church, do not hesitate to supplement with other sources. <br>I know many, many active LDS Church members who look to other faith traditions to supplement their spiritual needs. <br>Some look to other Christian denominations or Buddhism to fill a void. <br>Best of all, this approach is even encouraged by LDS scripture, LDS doctrine, <br>and both historical and contemporary comments by LDS General Authorities (references available upon request).<br>StayLDS.com}}
	No, the scriptures and LDS General Authorities ''do not'' encourage you to "supplement" your spiritual needs by attending other churches, or by becoming a Buddist!		No, the scriptures and LDS General Authorities ''do not'' encourage you to "supplement" your spiritual needs by attending other churches, or by becoming a Buddist!

RogerNicholson: /* Looking elsewhere? */ format

2009-07-22T14:14:58Z

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	===Looking elsewhere?===		===Looking elsewhere?===
	{{Epigraph\|If you are not feeling spiritually filled by your affiliation with the LDS Church, do not hesitate to supplement with other sources. <br>I know many, many active LDS Church members who look to other faith traditions to supplement their spiritual needs. Some look to other Christian denominations or Buddhism to fill a void. <br>Best of all, this approach is even encouraged by LDS scripture, LDS doctrine, and both historical and contemporary comments by LDS General Authorities (references available upon request).<br>StayLDS.com}}		{{Epigraph\|If you are not feeling spiritually filled by your affiliation with the LDS Church, do not hesitate to supplement with other sources. <br>I know many, many active LDS Church members who look to other faith traditions to supplement their spiritual needs. <br>Some look to other Christian denominations or Buddhism to fill a void. <br>Best of all, this approach is even encouraged by LDS scripture, LDS doctrine, and both historical and contemporary comments by LDS General Authorities (references available upon request).<br>StayLDS.com}}
	No, the scriptures and LDS General Authorities ''do not'' encourage you to "supplement" your spiritual needs by attending other churches, or by becoming a Buddist!		No, the scriptures and LDS General Authorities ''do not'' encourage you to "supplement" your spiritual needs by attending other churches, or by becoming a Buddist!

RogerNicholson: /* Looking elsewhere? */ format

2009-07-22T14:14:39Z

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	===Looking elsewhere?===		===Looking elsewhere?===
	{{Epigraph\|If you are not feeling spiritually filled by your affiliation with the LDS Church, do not hesitate to supplement with other sources. I know many, many active LDS Church members who look to other faith traditions to supplement their spiritual needs. Some look to other Christian denominations or Buddhism to fill a void. Best of all, this approach is even encouraged by LDS scripture, LDS doctrine, and both historical and contemporary comments by LDS General Authorities (references available upon request).<br>StayLDS.com}}		{{Epigraph\|If you are not feeling spiritually filled by your affiliation with the LDS Church, do not hesitate to supplement with other sources. <br>I know many, many active LDS Church members who look to other faith traditions to supplement their spiritual needs. Some look to other Christian denominations or Buddhism to fill a void. <br>Best of all, this approach is even encouraged by LDS scripture, LDS doctrine, and both historical and contemporary comments by LDS General Authorities (references available upon request).<br>StayLDS.com}}
	No, the scriptures and LDS General Authorities ''do not'' encourage you to "supplement" your spiritual needs by attending other churches, or by becoming a Buddist!		No, the scriptures and LDS General Authorities ''do not'' encourage you to "supplement" your spiritual needs by attending other churches, or by becoming a Buddist!

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	{{Epigraph\|I have now served in the general councils of this Church for 45 years. I have served as an Assistant to the Twelve, as a member of the Twelve, as a Counselor in the First Presidency, and now for eight years as President. I want to give you my testimony that although I have sat in literally thousands of meetings where Church policies and programs have been discussed, I have never been in one where the guidance of the Lord was not sought nor where there was any desire on the part of anyone present to advocate or do anything which would be injurious or coercive to anyone. The book of Revelation declares: “I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. “So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth” ({{s\|\|Revelations\|3\|15–16}})....This is His work. He established it. He has revealed its doctrine. He has outlined its practices. He created its government. It is His work and His kingdom, and He has said, “They who are not for me are against me” ({{s\|2\|Nephi\|10\|16}}).<br>—Gordon B. Hinckley, “Loyalty,” Ensign, May 2003, 58}}		{{Epigraph\|I have now served in the general councils of this Church for 45 years. I have served as an Assistant to the Twelve, as a member of the Twelve, as a Counselor in the First Presidency, and now for eight years as President. I want to give you my testimony that although I have sat in literally thousands of meetings where Church policies and programs have been discussed, I have never been in one where the guidance of the Lord was not sought nor where there was any desire on the part of anyone present to advocate or do anything which would be injurious or coercive to anyone. The book of Revelation declares: “I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. “So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth” ({{s\|\|Revelations\|3\|15–16}})....This is His work. He established it. He has revealed its doctrine. He has outlined its practices. He created its government. It is His work and His kingdom, and He has said, “They who are not for me are against me” ({{s\|2\|Nephi\|10\|16}}).<br>—Gordon B. Hinckley, “Loyalty,” Ensign, May 2003, 58}}

	{{Epigraph\|Even though the brethren themselves often set things up as "all or nothing," "true or false," "legitimate or a complete fraud,"~~<br>~~you do not have to slavishly bow to these blatantly false dichotomies. <br>—The author of Staylds.com'' (<nowiki>http://staylds.com/docs/HowToStay.html</nowiki>)}}		{{Epigraph\|Even though the brethren themselves often set things up as "all or nothing," "true or false," "legitimate or a complete fraud," you do not have to slavishly bow to these blatantly false dichotomies. <br>—The author of Staylds.com'' (<nowiki>http://staylds.com/docs/HowToStay.html</nowiki>)}}

	{{Epigraph\|Don't think of it as God's one and only true and perfect church while all others as abominations. If you think that way, the church will always fall short. Instead, think of it as a bunch of men (and a few women -- in terms of leadership) who are just trying their best to fulfill their callings while balancing work, family, and personal stuff -- and stumbling a great deal along the way. Don't think of its leaders as having a direct, telephone-like communication line with God. They probably don't.<br>—The author of Staylds.com'', setting up some false dichotomies of his own. (<nowiki>http://staylds.com/docs/HowToStay.html</nowiki>)}}		{{Epigraph\|Don't think of it as God's one and only true and perfect church while all others as abominations. If you think that way, the church will always fall short. Instead, think of it as a bunch of men (and a few women -- in terms of leadership) who are just trying their best to fulfill their callings while balancing work, family, and personal stuff -- and stumbling a great deal along the way. Don't think of its leaders as having a direct, telephone-like communication line with God. They probably don't.<br>—The author of Staylds.com'', setting up some false dichotomies of his own. (<nowiki>http://staylds.com/docs/HowToStay.html</nowiki>)}}